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Christianity means tyranny by NurIzin Christianity means tyranny by NurIzin
song of the same name : [link]

symbolism : a cross in fasces, the main symbol of fascism, on the high corners : the spanish phalanx, symbol or the religious fascist regime of Franco.

In memory of all the victims of christianity, who were killed, tortured, destroyed, because they thought differently, because they had other beliefs (or because they didn't believe).
In memory of all these people burned on pyres because they had physical differences of problems, because they were women practicing science, or simply having red-hair, or simply were pre-feminists. (the witches).

never forget all the slaughters made by the Church/Christians, never forget the age of ignorance, fear and darkness Europe endured because of Christianism, never forget the fascist collaboration of the Church, never forget the theocracy of Franco in Spain. Never forget the christian antisemitism, the slaughter of Cathares, the destruction of old cultures and religions.
never forget the sexism of the Church, how it kept women inferior in rights, never forget how LGBT community was discriminated, how church was sat-ying that black men and amerindians had no souls.
Don't forget that if AIDS spread so much in Africa, it's because the Church says it's bad to use condoms.
Don't forget the fascism of evangelists in USA, the ignorance and biggotery of creationists.
The list could be so long, but I think these crimes are enough to say that christianism is the most murderous religion in the world.
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Malintra-Shadowmoon Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist

I admit that I have never seen a cross like that ... but I like your author's comments and your dedications.

Usually when I think of it I am reminded of early Christianisation, the Crusades and 700 years of burning stakes.

And I am also reminded of some ironical or illogical parts of history. Guess that the Cathars were nearly exterminated by the Knights Templars ... and a little later the Knights Templars were nearly extinguished by their employers. Is that probably some form of what you have given you will receive?


Interesting thoughts you have mentioned - but think of not judging all Christians as one. There are such and such. And most of the topics cited is Roman Catholic Church to be blamed for - nothing else than a Christian sect too.


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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2014  Student Writer
Time to pick apart you argument:
You call out the Christians for those they targeted, but nit the Spartans who left weak babies to be devoured by wolves; not the Jews who committed genocide repeatedly; not the Northmen who butchered and raped innocent people in sacrifices to their deities; nor even the atheist state of Albania, who killed and exiled holy men from their own homelands. 
The Dark Ages were caused because the Roman Empire collapsed under barbarian attacks, after centuries of corruption and paying lip-service to the Christian God. The Church hid away ancient manuscripts in monasteries, that they wouldn't be destroyed by the barbaric hordes that set upon Europe. 
With Franco: The Republican government of Spain viciously persecuted the Church, they evicted priests and closed down their mission and schools. During the war the motley crew of communists, anarchists, and idealistic foreign buffoons we now romanticize slaughtered thousands of Catholic clergy-men and women alike. Now tell me-WHY would the Church not help the people that restored them to a position of dignity with no fear of persecution.
Christian scholars were the only people who recorded the ancient texts, without them, we would no nothing of the Pre-Christian cultures. 
The Church Protected women from the abuses of earlier systems. They punished soldier who abused the women in conquered lands, when the leaders would turn their eyes.
The Catholic missionaries were the only people who would speak against the slave trade. French priests went so far as to ordain Indians priests, and bless interracial marriages. You can't tell the difference between the colonial-era Spanish government and the Catholic Church.
AIDES spread in two ways through Africa: rape and birth, passed from mother to child. Condoms have nothing to do with the second. As for the first, do you really think a rapist, thinking sex with a virgin will purify him, will bother to find a condom?
As for modern fanatics, they are a minority. Will you go up to a baby, just baptized and say "You are responsible for the suicides among homosexual teenagers" ? Would you tell a German child playing in a field near Auschwitz, "Look at that empty lot there. Your people murdered thousands there. And it is your fault." ?
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almostinsane999 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
I am truly sorry for the crimes committed by my Christian brothers and sisters.

And I'm Catholic and open minded. :P
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Sturmtruppen1 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
You're just as ignorant as those you are calling out of course wretchedness has been done in the christian name but those people the Kkk and others ARE NOT CHRISTIANS go to any mainstream church today listen to the sermon or mass and tell me if it is hate filled. The true honest message of christianity is love l
Love others dont be bitter or angry put out fire with water put out hate with love
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bombai-beast Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2011  Student General Artist
very good my fellow... ^^
but beware... Satanism is just another side of the coin... I still have much work to do to make the truth come to the surface... :(
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Planken Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I actualy find Christianity a usefull thing if its not used in its extreme way. But you have a point. As our enemies telling people that communism is a murder. While belife or oppinnions are not murderers humans are. Thus its much murder in all political and religious roads.
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godofwarlover Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
It's not Jesus' fault if his followers act like this. Jesus taught love, not hate
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Mystery-SIXX-SEVEN Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011  Student General Artist
nice :thumbsup:
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ritchieritz Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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K-Haderach Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011
I'm sorry, but "_____ is evil because its followers killed people" is always a horribly bad argument. Pretty much ANY idea or principle (political, religious, or whatever) has had followers that engaged in war and murder in its name.
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NurIzin Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
except that Vatican (roman catholic church) is the first church that existed, and is the church that set the first dogmas of christianism, during a long time, they were the only christians is Europe, they were christianism.
plus, the Bivble itself has a lot of passages promoting mass murders of those who don't follow the same religion, killing of whores or women who're unfaithful. The core itself of christianism is insane : "only those who follow me will go to heaven, all the other are lost souls".
main christianism = catholicism, catholicism = vatican.
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K-Haderach Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
No, the Roman Catholic Church is absolutely NOT the first Church that existed. The original Christian Church split into 3 branches during the first millennium, and the Catholic Church is only the Western branch. The other two branches are the Orthodox Church ([link]), and the very small Oriental Communion ([link]).
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I think it's more organized religion in general. Often times, the slaughter, the chaos and so forth, where using god as a rallying cry, and really used the church simply as a tool. During the dark ages and even well into the twentieth century the clergy was often already apart of the aristocracy, there have been a bit of a history of bishops and even popes being appointed by kings and princes.

the masses who consider themselves christian, often don't hold the same position as the official position of the church, most believe in the theory of evolution, have no problems with homosexuality, and there are plenty who are homosexual themselves. There have been large groups of christians in fact who have made it a point to apologize to the LGBT community for the problems caused by the church. There are also groups of socialist and anarchist christians, like the Catholic Workers Movement. Leo Tolstoy, is a famous christian anarchist and anti-capitalist.

Bash organized religion because it is used as a tool of indoctrination, not the religion itself.
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NurIzin Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
I know about the progressive christians.
But in term of Dogmas : Vatican = catholic church. a real catholic agrees with all what say the Pope, follow all the dogmas set by Vatican. All crimes made by catholic church are the crimes of catholicism itself. If you disagree with the church, don't follow its dogmas, then you aren't a catholic, but a simple christian.
maybe I should have called this pic "catholicism = tyranny". but catholicism is the biggest christian "subgenre", the biggest part of christianism.
the Bible itself is full of messages containing : mass-murder of those who don't follow the same religion, homophobia, killing of people cheating their wife/husband. Globally jesus says : "only those who follow me will be saved, the others will go to hell".
So, even in its core, christianism is quite reactionnary. The progressive and socialists christians are more "revisionists of the Bible", who only took the posistive messages, and put aside all the reactionnary ones.

Indeed all organized religions are to blame, but this is in the name of christianism that there were the most numerous amount of victims, fear, and ignorance.
People nowadays seem to like to blame islam, but islam, 30 years ago, was more progressive than christianism/church. Islam, during the Middle-Age, wasn't rejecting sciences and killing those who would claim earth isn't the center of universe and so forth.
As an European, I critic the religion of my continent or my country.
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The-Laughing-Rabbit Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
a catholic is one who believes in most of the catholic doctrine, not necessarily follows the church, and in that sense I'm a catholic. I don't believe in the organized church and is the result of the Roman empire (then later the Byzinten empire) trying to indoctrinate it's population, not spreading Jesus' message. Again I cite the catholic workers movement, they are considered catholic, but most have long rejected the church as any kind of authority. Personally Catholic doctrine has lead be a bit almost to a pantheistic understanding of god, along with my anarcho-socialist perspective.

The bible itself should be seen as a collection of historical documents, not a final authority. those who consider it the final authority claim that god says it is, and when you ask them how they know that they say because it's in the bible. The bible is full of contradictions and inconsistencies just like if you where to get a couple of people who watch a building burn will have different stories on what happened. what we see as the bible is a collection of documents decided by the council of Nicene presided over by the emperor of Rome, Constantine. A lot of the "messages" have to be considered in the time period, In Leviticus, the rule against homosexuality was put in a time when procreation was essential to the survival of the Israelite when they where surrounded by nations and tribes of people who wanted to take that land, like the Babylonians; Saint Paul, during the time of Jesus, considered most old Jewish law like that, to be obsolete because they where irrelevant to modern times. The concepts of Heaven and Hell, have long been bastardized by the ideas in the dark ages. Hell isn't a literal place, there is the pain of loss, and the pain of the senses; the pain of loss is the hell of being removed from god, because one didn't believe in him, and the pain of the senses is a physical torment for those who committed acts of depravity. Even in Dante's more physical concept of hell, there is an outer ring of a sort of limbo for those who didn't believe in god, but where an all around good person.

Organized religion is what bastardized this, for the purpose of suppression and indoctrination for who ever is the aristocracy at the time.
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Mizz-Swagnificent Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Student General Artist
This is pretty cool.

BTW, not all Christians are the idiotic, bible-bashing little retards they claim not to be.

Some are actually quite open-minded. ^^
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NurIzin Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
I know, I'm mostly talking about the catholic church, and the fanatism of westboro baptist church, the evangelists and creationists. I know there're a lot of normal/progressive christians.
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Mizz-Swagnificent Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011  Student General Artist
Oh, ok.

Thanks for telling me.
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
This is all fine and dandy, but why JUST Christianity? Respectively, a good deal of other religions are much more primitive and brutal that Christianity, and deserve a lot more criticism. Likewise, the arguments you make against Christianity are typical strawman arguments, and you don't take the religion in context. You don't speak about Christianity in the sense of theological flaws, and the actual faults of the written religion, but rather, the sins of those who claimed to practice Christianity.
We Communists don't like to be judged by Stalin, and we appreciate criticism directed at theory a lot more than practice, because we can all generally agree that the practice was, for the most part, revision from the theory. Likewise, Christians can claim the same, which is why our arguments against Christianity should be theoretical in nature, and not random, out-of-context attacks, especially such poor ones as "Don't forget that if AIDS spread so much in Africa, it's because the Church says it's bad to use condoms."
C'mon comrade, that's just DUMB. If there was a list of people who were to blame for some of the things you mentioned, the Church and Christian religion would probably be somewhere last in line. If you're going to bash Christianity, at least do it with some class.
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NurIzin Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
The Bible countains a lot of homophobic lines, it promotes mass-murder of those who don't follow the same religion.
If you read the Bible, as well as the new testament, you would realize how insane is this religion, obliging people to believe and follow it or "they'll go to hell". Theologically, it is sexist, reactionnary, homophobic, and dogmatic.
I don't know if someone living in a orthodox country with a high rise of islamophobia and racism is the best placed to critic other religions that christianism. nor Judaism, nor Islam, nor Hindouism, nor Buddhism, nor animism has killed more people than christianism. i'm talking about historical facts.
Church and christian religion are in the firsts to blame in the whole history. Do you forget that they forbid sciences in Europe for centuries? that they were highly antisemite because "Jews killed Jesus", the crusades, the inquisition, and the gender discrimination.
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
"I don't know if someone living in a orthodox country with a high rise of islamophobia and racism is the best placed to critic other religions that christianism."

Alright, I've had it with your elitism. I'm not living in an Orthodox country, for your information, that's first of all. Second, your not judging my argument, nor are you even addressing it, you're judging my ability to rationalize religion by my nationality and residence, and if there's anything more racist than THAT, feel free to share it with me.
I'm as good a judge of Christianity in Russia as I am in Belgium or Botswana, my nationality and my place of residence is irrelevant to my skill in assessing theory.

You criticize religion on the grounds of crimes committed by those religious- which is all fine and dandy, if you can accept being criticized for the crimes of Communists that you don't consider your allies or comrades. By your logic, everyone that calls himself "Christian" correctly carries the Christian religion, so therefore, anyone that calls themselves "Communist" correctly carries Communist theory, right? Can't you see how ignorant you're being?

If you're going to criticize Christianity, criticize Christianity, not what some idiots who fancied themselves Christians did. I'm on your side, but you're making US look like the ignorant ones, rather than Christians, because your attacks on Christianity are narrow-minded and of extreme bias.

And by the way, Christianity killed more people than any other religion because it is hosted by the strongest states, peoples and cultures, who inevitably clash in wars for power. By your logic then, if all of these are the fault of Christianity, and all of the church's actions are definitely Christian, than the progressive and successful measures taken, such as the reformation, secular theory, democracy etc etc, which were all also borne of Christian civilization, are to be attributed to the Church as well? By your logic then, Christianity did well to make up for its many murders by leading the world in development and progress. Civilizations calling themselves dominant have turned out on top, and produced a lot more than those that don't. So judging this as a product of the church's guidance- Christianity did far more good than harm, then, right?

There is a fundamental hole in that sort of reasoning, friend.
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the-designist Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2011
nice going dragging communism into something totally unrelated.

also, strawman argument. automatic invalidation.

butthurt better.
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I dragged Communism into it as an example, since both me and NurIzin are members of the same party.

Your comment about straw-man arguments isn't coherent since it doesn't address the entity it's being directed against.

Same for your comment about butthurt, please do try and make your statements more readable.
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the-designist Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2011
i was keeping it simple since you're stupid, but if you insist.

strawman argument is when you attempt to "win" by misrepresenting the opponent's original point as something exaggerated, such as attempting to apply the point to a large, generalized group rather than the specific subject it applies to, and try to invalidate the opponent's point by claiming that the exaggerated point is what the opponent was going for, even though it obviously is not.

or to put in layman's terms, you basically went "omg, i deliberately think you're applying it to ALL of christianity, and because of that, i ignore your point because not all christians are like my misunderstanding of your point!"

ironically, you accused him of using the strawman argument while you have done it yourself... pot calling the kettle black, anyone? in before keyboard-smashing rage and attempting to justify or cover up.

are you being deliberately stupid or something? it was very simple and direct. if you're going to throw a shitfest over such pittance, at least do a better job of it.

also, i believe the 'elitist' comment as you claimed it to be was basically just saying that it would be pot calling the kettle black to do so.
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I know what a strawman argument is, you don't have to explain it for me. If you read my original comment, my primary criticism of NurIzin's views of Christianity was "You don't speak about Christianity in the sense of theological flaws, and the actual faults of the written religion, but rather, the sins of those who claimed to practice Christianity."
I don't think there was one point at which I accused NurIzin of stereotyping Christians. That went without saying, since it's obvious the crimes he had described were done by a few Christians rather than the religion as a whole, nor were they a product of what the religion teaches, yet he attributed it to the entire religion.
Also, my elitism comment came from him criticizing my ability to analyze religions because I supposedly lived in Russia, and he lives in Europe. That's pretty obviously European elitism. Your analogies with black kettles either don't make sense or aren't relevant to the actual jist of the argument, which I think you simply misunderstood. Go back and read it again.
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the-designist Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2011
"That went without saying, since it's obvious the crimes he had described were done by a few Christians rather than the religion as a whole, nor were they a product of what the religion teaches, yet he attributed it to the entire religion."

that's your strawman argument. he never did apply it to the entirety, merely generalize. you tried to invalidate him by making it seem like he applied it to the entirety. if you know what it means, try avoiding it!

wait, you've never heard of the "pot calling the kettle black" metaphor? it basically means being a blatant hypocrite.

"Also, my elitism comment came from him criticizing my ability to analyze religions because I supposedly lived in Russia, and he lives in Europe. That's pretty obviously European elitism."

and yet in stating that, what have you done? yup. pot calling the kettle black.

while i admit that he is making mistakes of his own, you are also making a fool of yourself.
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