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Education Be/USA by NurIzin Education Be/USA by NurIzin
Fellows from the other side of the ocean, if you can speak French or Dutch, come to study in Belgium, it shall cost you less than to study in USA.
And if you can speak Swedish or Norwegian, come there too, they've really good prices and universities too.
In Norway, one year at University costs $74.


Why some countrues can have a such "low" price is quite easy to explain : in the case of Sweden and Norway : it's thanks to social-democracy, a soft/less radical form of socialism, making a compromise between free-market/capitalist economy, and social policies.
In Belgium it's globally the same reasons : strong socialist and liberal pillars.

A state funding a lot universities and schools but having high taxes isn't a state trying to control your life, it's a state caring about having educated people, and caring about the welfare of people.
Police, repressions are less violent, people are less watched and spied by secret services in Sweden, Norway and Belgium than in USA, and have more political freedom of choice and expression/contestation.

Republicans say they're against "governement controlling life of people", but they're the ones who control the most the life of others, with things such as patriot act, anti-birth control campaigns, anti-abortion, anti-gay policies.
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014
And in Denmark, it's free.
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
Good old Denmark <3
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NurIzin Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014
Wich is even better ja.
In my case, as my mother hasn't a huge salary, we actually could get a fee. Last year we hadn't to pay anything, and this year, we actually got a bit more than €500 from the state, so, in a way, instead of paying for university, we actually got money... So, still a pretty fair system, especially for the poorer, even if not as developed as the ones in Scandinavia.
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Seaxwulf Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I hear the Fatherland (Germany) has some good educational systematics, too.
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worldsmixer Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*bangs head on desk*
We have just enough money to pay for everything here in the USA. Just enough, no more, no less.
I have to hope for a scholarship to got to collage...
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Chill out bro. American schools attract millions of students and produce great scientists and inventors despite the fact that cheap ass european schools can provide them at a very socialist price. Means we must be doing something right. No matter how much you whine and grovel or try to spin it, the market simply works, and bureaucracy does not.
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StupidFae Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2012
Since when does overpriced equal ineffective? :u
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Look at the system holistically; the pricing of the education is a critical part of the system, and high expense is compensated by the fact that most of those studying in American schools have high capital, and can afford it, furthermore the expense pays for the quality of the education. It would be understandable to make cuts and grants for underprivileged students, which is why a system of loans exists within the banks, and also there are private as well as public scholarships or grants that are available to highly qualified or financially underprivileged students.
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StupidFae Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2012
A lot of people here can't afford it even with those things. :/ Not everyone who wants and can't afford an education qualifies for a grant or scholarship, and I probably don't need to tell you how important education is! (Also, you have to pay loans back. That puts students, fresh out of college and probably jobless, in debt. That is becoming a huge problem here, it's one of the big things that started OWS. Even if you aren't poor, paying back what would be at the very least $20,000 is hard even without interest rates.)

I think more government funding should go to making it free or at least affordable for everyone, instead of putting so much in our military. Seriously, do you know how much government spending goes to the military? :u
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner May 1, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
First of all, here's about that military spending [link]

You're 15 trillion dollars in debt, there is no manner in which that debt can be payed of if sufficient taxation rates are already throwing you into a 40% deficit.

Secondly, if you take a loan that's your responsibility to pay for it, not mine. A secondary education isn't required to enter the labor force, and if you do need it, why should the burden go to the taxpayers en masse rather than the single person, looking out for his own needs? Such a system already exists and has existed and the system does not work because it does not generate profit, therefore does not produce quality education, and does not look after your needs effectively. That is why you have to pay for your own college, there are responsibilities in life, and that the OWS crowd tried to ignore those responsibilities and take a dump on our streets, well that's the whole gist of their movement; they don't care about either logic or responsibility, they just want other people, who work for a living, to pay for their liberal arts degrees.
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StupidFae Featured By Owner May 1, 2012
"Defense" goes under military spending, and it is still quite large. If my understanding is correct, that can be reduced. I can see spending a sizable amount, but it's the largest amount of government spending and everyone that is a threat to us has already been assassinated. Your video even says that a solution to this would be to get people who aren't sick, old or crippled off welfare. One way to do this would be to educate them enough to get a proper job, and this is difficult if they crushed by debt.

It is required to enter the labor force, here. Most jobs that aren't minimum wage (which in most of the US is not enough to live on) require it for some reason. It is not simply a single person in the long run, as people who can make an income they can live off of end up paying taxes (which would pay off their debt, indirectly). What OWS is protesting is corporations having unreasonable expectations and shit wages, along with the fact that generating a lump sum of debt with interest instead of spreading it out more evenly is sort of stupid.
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foreverrussia1 Featured By Owner May 1, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Not larger than the entitlements. Your statement on the sick makes no sense, the video clearly stated that running both the government and the military would be cake if entitlements didn't drain all the tax money plus the deficit.

I was never told what OWS was protesting because they didn't have a coherent message. I assumed they ever got out because they wanted to fuck in sleeping bags and smoke more pot, but the ultimate result was that the evil corporate bosses laughed it out over a swill of French wine and carried on with their jobs, which is what I would do if I found out a bunch of college hippies were taking shits on the street to 'protest' me and my job. In any case, if you want to go to college get the damned money yourself because I'm not going to pay for you. I don't mind a small income tax to pay so promising students can become engineers and such, but I'm not going to finance your expedition into gender studies of medieval poetry, just so you can get drunk and fuck on campus. Believe it or not that's what the modern American university looks like, or at least what these faggots and their Marxist professors want it to, and I don't plan on paying for it.
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StupidFae Featured By Owner May 2, 2012
Many entitlements are necessary, but such a large defense budget isn't always. For example, Social Security, one of the largest, is paid by the person receiving it years beforehand (in that case, the government is just holding it). The video stated that removing unnecessary entitlements would improve it, which making secondary education more available would do. If whoever is physically able to work can actually find and be qualified for a job, then obviously more people will be working.

You clearly did not do research at reputable places if that is what you thought of them (many biased news sources tend to focus on the absolute worst and ignore everything else, they do that with everything). There were people of all ages, occupations, and classes even if the poorer people did make up most of it. They had a lot of reasons to protest that have been building up for years, so I can see why that could be confusing to an outsider.

Why would someone outside the country pay for our college? :confused: Taxes would be from this country. Everyone in this country already pays taxes for elementary through high school, so it would not be a major change. It would not be free, it would simply be paid for differently. :u You can't choose what people major in, and every major does have some use that can get people a job (mostly because everything requires at least basic college-level Math/English/etc). Also, you do realize gender studies have and still are improving things, right? :lol: If no one studies social issues, no one will know why the fuck things happen and positive change will take ten times longer.
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Taku-chan13 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
And those retards think the mandatory French classes are pointless...
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ComradeRichard Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012
In my honest opinion the intense privatization or, well, elitist club feeling of higher education in the United States seems to be grooming the vast majority either to be cogs in the broken machine that is our political/economic system or in order to recreate those who think like the relics that cling to their hurtful policies and Reaganomics. The 'old guard' doesn't want to die and will perpetuate itself even if it means the death of the nation they sometimes claim to love (most never say that and are really just in it for the power and money, which is a mentality shared amongst all American, me included.)

We are groomed to lust after power and wealth, fantasizing that we will be something that in all likelihood we will never be. The greatest inventions have been made and capitalized on already, there is nothing left to 'pioneer' and people don't seem to realize that it's DISCOVERY not PROFIT that is important.
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The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Even technical schools are a bit on the costly side, not just universities or colleges. It is a well known fact, however, that education has not been all that important to most Americans for many years. Well, with exception to high school and college level sports programs. You'd be amazed how people gripe if one decides to cut funding to the sports programs in order to fund actual curriculum...
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KnoFear Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Student Writer
Personally, I'm so limited by money that I have no choice but to stay in state for college. Even then, because my parents never saved any money for me I will still be heaped in debt after college alone, plus graduate school afterwards. I long for publicly funded education, so that I can have some leeway in my chances.
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KCammy Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012
Aren't universities in America pretty much private enterprise?
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The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Most of the very important or famous ones, yes. Most states (if not every state) does have a State college system, for example in my state, the University of Wisconsin and it's varied campuses across the state. It is, from what I've heard, a very good college system. One of the better state-operated schools in the nation.

We'll just wait and see how that ass of a governor screws even that up for us. But there are many, many more private colleges than there are public ones. One for each state compared to ??? amount of private schools...
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KCammy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012
Such a shame. :( I get my first degree free. And I think the rest at a very reduced price. College is free, totally, as is my understanding.

And I bet the Republicans would never have a system like that?
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BullMoose1912 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We Americans are working on that. At least some of us would like to have free public education up to the graduate level. Lots of people know that there's tons of money for it but it's not in the government but in big businesses.
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The-Necromancer Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Private schools are a crime, I say. Education is yet another thing that has been turned into a business, and an alarming amount of people are starting to think we should maybe do away with public education all-together. You can almost hear the sound of cash registers opening to swallow up high tuition fees...

The services that form the very foundations of a healthy, educated, and advanced society should never be considered a business. Never.
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NekoRevan Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012  Student Interface Designer
So say we all!
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whyhavedeactivedpage Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I know many talented and intelligent friends who had to drop out of school due to lack of money or who are left with years and years of debt.
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magpie-poet Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2012
I managed to pay off school, but can't find a job with the degree I got, and everyone's answer is grad school. But I don't know what for, and it's not like the first one helped :(
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DeathlessLegends13 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2012  Student Writer
I know the injustice first hand..... :(
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